Breaking Bad 5x01
Julie and John Hammerle and myself discuss Breaking Bad’s season 5 premiere, as well as movies like The Dark Knight Rises (speculation and hype), Brave, Prometheus, Frankenstein, and other 2012 releases.
Julie and John Hammerle and myself discuss Breaking Bad’s season 5 premiere, as well as movies like The Dark Knight Rises (speculation and hype), Brave, Prometheus, Frankenstein, and other 2012 releases.
Julie Hammerle, Andy Daglas, and I discuss the season finale of Mad Men, John Glover, My Two Dads, and my history of dressing as the Eleventh Doctor. We might be taking next week off, but we’ll definitely be back for Breaking Bad, for we are the people who knock. And podcast. Mostly podcast.
Julie, Andy, and I look at a shocking event on Mad Men and the season finale (and second season in its entirety) of Game of Thrones.
Julie Hammerle, Andy Daglas, and myself examine Mad Men’s “The Other Woman” and Game of Thrones’ “Blackwater.”

I may have said this before, but A Clash of Kings is my least favorite book in George R. R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire series. To me, the whole book serves as build-up to the Battle of the Blackwater and to A Storm of Swords (my favorite book in the series). Build-up is very important, because the pay-off is meaningless without it. (Obviously.) But when 700 pages are nothing but build-up, it can get a bit boring and frustrating, regardless of how great the pay-off is. And don’t get me wrong, everything that happens in A Clash of Kings is necessary to make the Battle of the Blackwater and A Storm of Swords as amazing as they are. But I approached Season 2 of Game of Thrones with some hesitation, figuring that I would enjoy it less than Season 1, but sure that this episode, Blackwater,” would make it all worth it. Sadly, it was not meant to be.
The battle itself, especially the wildfyre effects, was fantastic. But because of how the season handled some of the story elements, the episode just didn’t come together for me the way it did for pretty much everyone else out there. (One of the quirks about writing this review a day later is that I have seen everyone else’s reaction and can comment on it.) The biggest problem was Stannis Baratheon, the man who would be king. Stannis is one of my favorite characters in the series because of the amount of depth he has. I didn’t like him too much in A Clash of Kings, but I had a weird kind of respect for him. As the series went on, I grew to like him more, even while recognizing his extremely deep flaws. The truly great thing was that Stannis didn’t change too much as the books went on, but rather we learned more about him and saw that he was more three-dimensional than we’d initially realized. On the show, he has almost no characterization aside from gruff stick in the mud. That description certainly applies to him in the books, but he has a strong drive in the books that is absent in the show. Stannis on the screen seems to be going through the motions rather than actively pursuing a goal.
Another problem was the tell-don’t-show approach of the show. Film and television are visual media, and this season didn’t take advantage of that enough. Books can get away with more exposition because they are not visual, and a lot of important things happen “off-page” in the book, and are relayed to us second-hand. Stannis and Melisandre aren’t point-of-view characters, and pretty much everything we know about them comes from the perspectives of Davos and Catelyn. And yet, we learn a lot about those two. Stannis is a battle-hardened slave to the law while Melisandre is a deeply unsettling, semi-magical woman with unknown motives. On the show, we don’t see much of those two characters, but people talk about them. To me, this did not create nearly the same impression about either, because I want to see things rather than hear about them. Varys’ speech to Tyrion about his fear of a ruler backed by the “old powers” fully cemented this concern for me. Varys explains to Tyrion, and the audience, that if Stannis wins the Iron Throne, he’ll be a puppet of a foreign witch. But we never see enough of Melisandre to fully appreciate how dangerous she is (save for the shadow baby, which came off as just bizarre), nor do we hear enough from Davos about his qualms about her to understand that she is freaking people out. In fact, most of what we hear about her from Stannis’ camp is positive. Many of Stannis’ followers, including Davos’ son, have accepted her and the Lord of Light, as their new saviors. (For a much more concise look at this point, my podcast mate Julie Hammerle commented on Stannis’ and Davos’ roles in this episode in her review.)
As I prepared to begin reading the books, a friend of mine told me that there was a battle in the second book, and she did not want either side to win. Who do you root for in a fight between Joffrey, a psychopath, and Stannis, an extremist? The fight in the book was gripping because the reader knew that whoever won would create a different set of problems for the people of Westeros. On the show, I just didn’t care. We didn’t see enough of the problems in King’s Landing to fully comprehend how bad things were (especially because Mace Tyrell’s embargo was not a plot point) and although Joffrey clearly needs to be deposed, Tyrion has been doing an excellent job as Hand. As usual, his scenes in this episode were among its best. When he led the charge in the fight, he gave an incredibly rousing speech that should secure him another Emmy. But what would be wrong with Stannis winning? Why should we as viewers fear his rule?
Blackwater did have some other great elements as well. The scene between Bronn and Sandor Clegane in which they argued over the merits of having a dark sense of humor was pretty spectacular. Both of them are seasoned killers who think little of taking the life of another, but they each approach their lot in life very differently. The Hound treats it more like a great weight, sapping out any emotion aside from defeated anger, while Bronn figures that he may as well look for the humor in his very dark life. The Hound’s scene with Sansa, in which he gave his “the world is built by killers” monologue, was also pretty great, and served as a very dark look at how nations are built and kept. And while I wasn’t a huge fan of Cersei’s increasingly alcohol-induced unhinged behavior, I recognized its importance to what will happen in the future, and it led to a phenomenal scene at the end in which she tells a frightened Tommen a story about a “lion” mother protecting her cub from vile stags and wolves. The young boy doesn’t fully understand what she is doing, and even in his fear, he doesn’t understand how stags could be dangerous. Tommen is an innocent little boy who, despite his mother’s best efforts, would rather avoid war and ruling altogether.
Random Thoughts
· The look of happiness on Tyrion’s face when Sansa told him that she would be praying for his safe return was a really nice touch. Then she said that she was also praying for Joffrey, and the speed at which his face fell was just painful.
· Podrick Payne: badass squire.
This week, Julie Hammerle, Andy Daglas, and myself discuss what is possibly my favorite episode of Mad Men ever then debate the merits of this week’s Game of Thrones.
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Julie Hammerle, Andy Daglas, and I discuss Mad Men’s “Dark Shadows” and Game of Thrones’ “A Man Without Honor.”

This episode of Game of Thrones is titled “A Man Without Honor.” Toward the end of the episode, Catelyn Stark uses that phrase to describe Jaime Lannister, the Kingslayer. But really, it could apply to nearly every character that appears on-screen tonight, and even some that don’t. Certainly Theon Greyjoy, Xaro Xoan Daxos, Pyat Pree, the Clegane brothers, and Tywin Lannister all fit the bill. But to paraphrase Sandor Clegane, many people will thank these honorless men for the horrific things they do. In wars, someone has to do the dirty work, and as much as noble people like Robb Stark or Brienne of Tarth don’t want to believe it, that is how wars are won.
If Game of Thrones in general and this episode in particular have taught us anything, it’s that “honor” is subjective and not necessarily a valuable trait (at least not in a crapsack world like Westeros). It’s no coincidence that Jaime Lannister brings up Ned Stark, the man who defined himself by his unbreakable sense of honor, in his verbal sparring match with Catelyn. The two are brought together after Jaime nearly escapes his cell at Robb Stark’s basecamp. Throughout the season, Robb has used Alton Lannister, one of Jaime’s cousins as an envoy to King’s Landing in an effort to broker peace. Now that Alton has returned, Robb sends him back to a cell, where he and Jaime bond a little bit. Alton tells of his great respect for Jaime, and he is likely one of the few people in Westeros who is able to separate Jaime from the “Kingslayer” persona that everyone else gives him. Jaime responds by telling of his time squiring for Ser Barristan Selmy, another highly respected warrior (who Cersei and Joffrey foolishly dismissed from the Kingsguard last year). The sweet moment of bonding is brought to a disturbing end when Jaime savagely kills his cousin in order to create an opportunity for escape. Jaime’s only concern is for his own life, and anyone else’s can be forfeited in order to ensure that his continues. Not at all an honorable viewpoint, but in many ways a pragmatic one. Furthermore, Jaime recognizes that “honor” is a bit of a fallacy. When Cat angrily calls him “Kingslayer” and accuses him of breaking every vow he ever took, Jaime hisses back that Aerys was absolutely mad and repeatedly took the lives of innocent citizens, and further stated that sometimes vows will conflict, and there may be a higher moral calling than blindly following every oath you made.
Other Lannisters and Lannister bannermen have similar views on honor as Jaime. The brothers Clegane are no stranger to dirty work, and Sandor proves that there’s nothing so heroic that he can’t undermine by providing a dishonorable means for doing so. His response to Sansa’s thanks for saving her last week are met with a gruff response that he only did it because he likes killing. He sees his place in the world as nothing but a lackey who does the dirty work for those in power, and he accepts it because he enjoys the rush of combat. He does what needs to be done so that kings needn’t get their hands dirty, and he doesn’t begrudge them for it. He responds to Sansa’s disgust by telling her that someday she’ll thank him for his dark services, when she is queen and needs a rebellion quashed or a protestor silenced. Meanwhile in Harrenhal, his brother Gregor is told by Lord Tywin to burn the villages of commoners loyal to the Starks and the Tullys. Gregor reveals that a group of outlaws known as the Brotherhood Without Banners have been causing trouble for the Lannister forces and that many of the commoners have come to see them as noble figures. Tywin knows that such thoughts undermine the government’s power and that the group needs to be stopped, lest the Lannisters lose the war. Killing civilians who support the other side or romanticize outlaws without themselves breaking any laws would most likely be classified as a war crime if such a thing existed in Westeros. But Tywin would rather be feared than loved and knows that honor won’t win wars. In war, people die, and eliminating those that defy him before they take up arms is the best course of action.
In Winterfell, Theon continues his attempt to be taken seriously, and continues to fail at every turn. Each succeeding failure only serves to make him more desperate and more willing to be cruel and violent. He knows (thinks?) that he needs to have the respect of the Iron Men in order to hold Winterfell, never once considering that an angry populace will create its own problems. The only way he will get the respect of the Iron Men is to be cruel to those who defy him, even if it means going against all logic and sense. The lives of Bran and Rickon Stark are extremely valuable to him if he hopes to hold Winterfell, but he says that he’ll kill them if doing so is the only way to keep the loyalty of his countrymen. For Theon, the idea of honor never enters his mind. All he can think about his proving that he is not weak. What he doesn’t realize is that there are many kinds of weakness, and the power to take the lives of those who defy him doesn’t make him strong. Acting out of desperation, even if that means doing horrific things, underscores just how weak he truly is.
Does honor have any virtues at all? Robb and Jon certainly think so, and it aids them to different degrees. Robb continues to treat his prisoners well and ensures that everyone gets medical attention. So far this season, his men have respected him much more than the commoners of Kings Landing respect Joffrey or the Iron Islanders respect Theon. But things may quickly change. During Jaime’s escape attempt, the son of Lord Karstark, a Stark bannerman, is killed, leading the Lord to demand the right to kill Jaime. Cat won’t let him, knowing that doing so would be dishonorable (Jaime is an unarmed prionser) and that Jaime is very valuable alive. This doesn’t sit well with many of Robb’s men, and could spark an uprising. North of the Wall, Jon tries to explain the iron code of honor followed by the Night’s Watch to Ygritte, who scoffs at every sentence. To her, the rules Jon finds himself bound by are foolish and do nothing but keep him prisoner. She extolls the virtues of freedom, of being able to choose to be with whoever you want and to choose your own leader. Honor isn’t abiding by silly codes because a king or a lord says so. And honor isn’t fighting your own kind simply because they live on the wrong side of some large Wall. But Jon won’t hear any of it. He has lived his entire life believing that honor is one thing, and won’t entertain any thought that says otherwise.
Finally, honor, or the lack thereof, nearly drowns Daenarys this week when she sees just how far some people will go to attain power for themselves, even if it means using her as a pawn. Her presence in Qarth provided an opportunity to Xaro Xoan Daxos and Pyat Pree, who set in motion a sequence of events to put themselves at the top of the Qarth government. Her whole life, she has been little more than a pawn; Viserys sold her to Drogo to get an army, Jorah used her as a bargaining chip to return to Westeros (although she doesn’t know this and he did not act upon it once he got it), and now her dragons allowed the man she thought was looking out for her in Qarth to enact a bloody coup. What is all of this teaching her about leadership, and how will the rest of the world fare when this woman scorned is lord and master of a trio of dangerous dragons?
Random Thoughts:
· Tywin’s scenes with Arya continue to be incredible. The two of them need to have some kind of meetup with Roger Sterling and Sally Draper. And in said meetup, Sally may or may not be an airbender.
· Speaking of Tywin, his lecture about the history of Harrenhal and how the Targaryens “changed the rules” was fantastic, and another example of why “honor” is incompatible with warfare. Attacking a fortress with dragons probably wasn’t the honorable move, but damn was it effective.
· Thirdly, Arya makes a point of reminding Tywin that Aegon I Targaryen didn’t act alone; he had his two sisters with him. In Westeros, behind every great man are very shrewd women.
· Because the show doesn’t give characters inner monologue, Theon can’t reveal the truth about Bran and Rickon. I theorized in the podcast that the final scene of the season will be a surprise reveal, unlike in the books.
· You’d think that a group of men who regularly scout a snowy wasteland would realize that wearing black isn’t the best of ideas.
· Jaime and Brienne meet for the first time, foreshadowing one of the books’ best relationships.
· “What was the name of that bastard he fathered?” “Brienne.” “No, that wasn’t it.
Once again, Julie Hammerle, Andy Daglas, and myself discuss the week’s Mad Men and Game of Thrones. Toward the end, Andy sings the praises of Lauren Faust’s My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic and I throw in a shout-out for Super Best Friends Forever.
In which Julie, Andy, and myself discuss the undercurrent of violence this year on Mad Men and the sheer grimness of Game of Thrones. Julie points out that MadMen is actually all about women, while I argue that everything would be made better by an off-the-wall animated sequence.
Andy, Julie, and I are probably going to turn our Mad Men and Game of Thrones discussions into a weekly thing. Enjoy!
I guested on another episode of Julie Hammerle’s and Andy Daglas’ podcast ChicagoNow TV Tandem. We discuss Mad Men and Game of Thrones.
Last night, I did a guest voice on the ChicagoNow TV Tandem podcast, starring Julie Hammerle and Andy Daglas. We talk about the awful new NBC show Are You There, Chelsea (we watched so you don’t have to), Work It, and The Firm, then moved on to shows we actually like. We discussed returning shows, including 30 Rock, Parks and Recreation, and Justified, then gave some of our “TV Resolutions,” explaining what we wish shows would do in the new year.